>> jon: most of the lower 48 in a deep freeze and in alaska a heat wave, 45 in anchorage yesterday. >> julie: have you been to alaska? >> i want to go north. outnumbered starts right now. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. the senate is back in session right now. and vice president mike pence is going to be swearing in two new democratic senators at any moment. senator elect doug jones and senate appointee tina smith bringing the republican majority of the senate down to just one. this is outnumbered. i'm harris faulkner. here today sandra smith. co-host of after the bell on fox business melissa francis. the editor of town hall.com, katie pavlich and joining us today outnumbered we say former utah congressman and fox news contributor jason chaffetz is here.

welcome. happy new year jaso. >> happy new year. what is the official date you stop saying happy new year. >> harris: takes to me like june. >> happy new year. >> harris: thank you. let's get to the news a lot happening on capitol hill as you know. the senate is reconvening as i mentioned at any moment now. vice president mike pence is going to swear in alabama senator elect doug jones and minnesota senate appointee tina smith. jones beat republican candidate roy moore as you know for the seat vacated by jeff sessions. smith was appointed to replace al franken. today mick mulvaney and white house legislative affairs director marc short will head to capitol hill to meet with the top four congressional leaders. this is the other big story of the day. they are planning to talk about immigration reform. government funding, you know so, we don't face a shut down deja vu and other issues facing congress. the white house says government funding is the main issue. democrats may press on

getting protections for dreamers with that. as questions grow about how a slimmer majority in the senate could effect the republican agenda. let's talk about thranchts is a lot on the docket because january 19th is the funding date. do you have the immigration issues. you have coming on the heels of all of that will be the debt ceiling vote issue that they have to deal with. you have the supplemental issues for the disaster relief that has to be out there. you have people who want to spend more money on defense. and that all comes up in the next two weeks. >> harris: i know that january 19th felt far away from christmas. it really wasn't. and i say d deja vu all over again because it was just a knees when we everywhere talking about the government shut down. >> congress is notorious for always going to deadlines. while there is a great deal of optimism perhaps something can come out of this meeting today, it's really a framework where people will jockey for position. and it will not be until the very last moment. remember, they have already done continuing resolutions several times in order to get to this point.

you are supposed to have a budget done and in place before september. so they keep. >> harris: when is the last time we had a real budget. >> since the 1974 budget act. i think it's only twice or maybe even once that it's actually gone through in order or time. >> harris: all right. melissa? >> melissa: that's amazing. i would say by what's going on right now that there are a lot of competing interests out there and people say they're on opposite sides. there is a lot of space in between. to me that means there is a lot of room to make a deal. there is a lot of things that people on both sides want. when you are in trouble is when one side has nothing to gain. and afterwards it, will look like have you different lawmakers coming out and crowing about what they got but that's just a way to look good in the aftermath. go ahead, harris. >> harris: we are going to break in with breaking news. you are looking now at the senate floor, vice president pence, of course, in his position as the president of the senate and you see him there. we have a couple of former vice presidents in the room. walter mondale is there. >> please raise your right hand. >> harris: teen that smith.

>> and be prepared to respond. >> harris: let's just listen in. i will lower my voice so i we can hear. >> defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. bare truth faith and allegiance to the same. you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter so help you god? >> i do. >> congratulations. [applause] [applause]

>> harris: all right. so what we are watching and what i was saying is vice president walter mondale and escorted tina smith who has been appointed to take al franken's seat. so we have seen the ceremonial swearing in of smith and vice president joe biden was with doug jones who, as you know, beat judge roy moore in alabama. so, for this official moment, i want to go to jason chaffetz because you have been in this round on the other chamber before. and you can talk specifically about this moment and where we are historically. >> it is an historic moment. no matter what side of the aisle you are on when you see new people sworn in it really is a big moment. i notice they are both southpaws. i didn't know we had two left handed senators joining the left wing.

>> harris: only you would notice that. >> it's left handed. >> are you left handed? >> i'm not. >> harris: he was making the point that they're joining the left party as he said. >> they have very important roles. and they are going to be pivotal. i do think particularly in the case of alabama, if you have any hope of staying in that seat, you are going to probably have to come much more to the center and to the right. and it is also historic that you see three vice presidents together. walter mondale, mike pence. >> joe biden and mike pence. >> they are together. that doesn't happen very often that. >> bit of history. you talk about doug jones in alabama and how he will have to hang onto the seat. that is a seat a quarter century that has not gone to a democrat. it's more complingted than how he votes. republican also fight hard i would imagine to get that seat. >> i wouldn't suggest he buy a place in d.c. he might want to rent because is he not going to be there that long. >> sandra? >> it is historic moment. i think you hit on a very

sweet issue that is it's a beautiful moment for our democracy to see this taking place. it is happening during potentially what will be a very tumultuous debate on capitol hill as we have the big four convening today. you wonder what the next big fight is going to be in washington katie like immigration reform probably at the top of the list. >> katie: i'm interested to see how doug jones is going to be reached out to by the president. he is someone who likes to have good pa poor with rapport h everybody. he method with chuck and nancy. he gave him a congratulations it is nice to both of your points to see this happening. republican vice president swearing in two new democratic senators on the senate floor and that's going to be something they have to grapple with and deal with over the next couple of months. >> harris: vice president walter mondale under president jimmy carter in the 1970s and early 1980s. it's interesting to see him. i lived in minnesota and see him back in politics in this

particular moment when you talk about the division. minnesota was such a purple state it gave us, you know, ventura and many others very purple state for while. there you have it. that's history making moment before the official swearing in. the three vice presidents together. >> the president would be smart to reach out to doug jones at this point because if you want to convince him there is a way for him to keep his seat, you say just rent, if he has the idea that he wants to stay, that would be a way to do it given his state and the people who make it up to look like you are reaching out and you are working with president trump could be a good entree for him. >> they look like they're sharing a laugh. >> two new democrats join the senate. longest serving history in senator is getting ready to leave. utah senator orrin hatch announcing he is going to retire next year. first elected to the senate? 1976. the white house reportedly wanted him to stay on board. this opens the way for 2012

republican presidential nominee mitt romney to run to fill the seat. something the white house may not appreciate. now remember during the 2016 campaign mr. romney delivered a speech warning republicans not to nominate then candidate trump. and, of courses you'll remember. >> donald trump is a phoney, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. his domestic policies would lead to recession. his foreign policies would make america the and the world less safe. let me put it very plainly, if we republicans choose donald trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and prosperous future are greatly diminished. >> sandra: now we are hearing more voices on the republican party that don't appear to be supportive of a romney run who is kentucky senator rand paul. >> i don't know whether in utah they would hold him against it he ran was a governor of another state across the country. it's a we competitive republican state. >> it is.

>> i assume several people joining the fray. obamacare was based on romney care in massachusetts. very expensive and a government directed healthcare plan that most conservatives don't agree with. so i think that would have to be sorted out by those in utah whether he is conservative or not. >> sandra: i'm excited to have this conversation with you, congressman, because this is a very interesting turn of events. of course, you remember some of those choice words mitt romney had for donald trump on the campaign trail calling him a fraud and phoney. bill bennett said something interesting this morning. he said i haven't found it in my heart to forgive him for the things that he said. if donald trump comes around and is able to forgive him and move on and work with him then certainly he will. >> i think mitt romney is going to need to explain to the people of utah why he is wanting to run. he would be one of the oldest senators ever elected. i think he will run. i think he will win. i didn't think anybody of any substance will run against him. >> sandra: will he align with trump? >> on issues that he will

agree with undoubtedly, if he does run and probably announce fairly shortly, then i think he will win. >> sandra: one indication of that, let's look at romney's twitter account. this was last evening. anybody who follows twitter you see these little changes and they can be very telling. here had you shortly after his announcement of retirement. mitt romney changed the location of his account from massachusetts to holladay, utah. >> mitt romney got accused of being a carpet bagger guy going to massachusetts. he has a lot of ties. he moved in next door to his son hol hole holladaay it won'tn issue in utah. >> katie: president trump barely won utah he squeaked it out. he is going to have to figure out what the people of utah want.

if you look at the polling already, he is in the lead by something like 76%. ask people why they like him and why they want to send him to washington. they believe he would be a good check on the president. might be different than other senators but i think overall he will line up with the agenda. doesn't mean that people of utah are pro-trump. >> harris: importance of what you are laying thought terms of the electorate is critical. in other areas that we have seen, you know, particularly in alabama where the president backed luther strange at first, you had somebody like an insurgent movement via steve bannon come in. i don't know that that would necessarily work as well in utah whether you have so many people who are ready to vote for a candidate who has yet to declare. but the name recognition is off the charts answered rab for the highest office of the land. so, it is interesting. i wonder where that wing of the party with steve bannon really goes with an opening of the door. >> i don't know. i don't think they try and move in there. i'm just surprised that mitt romney wants to do. this i mean, he already ran for president. he has more money than god. >> it's not a promotion.

>> right? i don't know why he would want to do this. i do think he would win. but he represents in washington everything that the republican party has rejected. i mean, he has manners. you know, he is a middle ground. >> what? it's sort of like he is the check on donald trump when he rebukes the president the president knows he is doing the right thing. because mitt romney represents the old ways in absolutely everything from romney care to being just sort of mushy and middling. he is not going to work with him. >> another swamp creature just right in the middle. >> katie: no. never even been in d.c. >> mitt romney won't go there to be one of the swamp creatures. that's pushing it a little too far. he is somebody who will work with people. remember, he was moments away at least pretty close to being the secretary of state. i don't think he will just

uniformly. >> harris: what does that mean? >> sandra: very romantic dinner. you remember, there were flowers and roses. >> harris: why we want this job? >> i don't know. >> harris: a moment away from secretary of state. now you make the point even bigger why would you want this job? >> katie: he cares about utah. they saved the winter olympics in utah. he has close connections. he went to byu. he cares about the state and people there that might be a reason why he wants to run. >> he does have to answer that question why. >> katie: you may ask him that question yourself. >> sandra: after several years of slamming media biases in his speeches and tweets. president trump about to go a step further by handling out awards for the, quote, most dishonest reporting. is this a good idea or is it court productive? we will certainly debate that plus, who has the bigger nuclear button? the president's response to the latest provocation out of north korea stirring a whole lot of reaction.

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>> harris: president trump is weighing in again amid rising tensions with north korea's kim jong un. three at as ago the dictator threatened that he has a nuclear button on his desk and the entire u.s. is within range of a strike. the president responded on twitter: north korean leader kim jong un just stated that the nuclear button is on his desk at all times. will someone from his depleted and food-starved regime please inform him that i, too, have a nuclear button but it much bigger and powerful one than his and my button works. democrats and other critics pounced. congressman eric falwell tweeted this. if you love our country help me put this lunancy in check. tell president trump this is not normal behavior. any house g.o.p. members want to make sure congress has some say before he pushes that button. meanwhile, the north and south have revived an emergency hotline. that reopens communications after they were cut off nearly two years ago. that was a shoutout to any member of the house and

since you used to hold that job i will come to you first. >> representative swal wealth nice guy physical he thinks that the president of the united states is going to call and check in whether or not the president is going to defend the country he has another thing coming. look, what i see donald trump doing is exactly the opposite of what barack obama did and he is doing it differently in any region of the country. including talking the language of kim jong un so that he understands. >> harris: you support that idea? >> i wouldn't have necessarily done it that way. you know, on one level it's almost comical. >> it is. >> on the other hand i think he is conveying a message that, hey, we have the ability to take you out if we need to. >> melissa: i think what he is doing is so transparent and you disease in every situation if you pull back and look at the big picture. it's always good cob/bad cop. you see this line of communication going back into effect between north and south korea. we stand behind south korea. trump is saying he's the

only thing that south korean leader is the only thing between me pushing the button on you so you better treat him well because i don't want i don't support him doing this telephone thing. it's always good cob cop bad cop with him. reinforcing what he does what he says after they start talking to each other. >> katie: is the rhetoric that the president is using and the approach he is using by tweeting that rhetoric, is that helping or hurting the situation? >> katie: i think it's helpful in most instances but i just have to say when this tweet came out last night i get the president's tweets on my phone like most of us do i had to re-read it a few times. i spent the next three hours laughing hysterically in shock. imagining kim jong un stomping arranged in his bunker really upset that he now has been called out. and having a small button. >> in the tweet nuclear button was capitalized. make sure that everyone knew

it was very important. so, i don't know why he sent it the way he did. is it helpful? i don't know. but you have to laugh about it, right? or else what are you going to do? >> if we don't want to take it to too light a level and take this back to the fact that this man actually kills his own people and he is a dictator. if we want to take it there, then does this tweet and is it part of this overall strategy and policy? is it time that the american people be told at least some of what that might be? senator lindsey graham among others now are calling for for this. you don't have to give us the whole plan. i haven't heard anybody call for that how is the policy shaping up with regard to north korea and iran for that matter? >> well, iran is a whole different situation where, i think the president has done absolutely the right thing in supporting the iranian people. >> harris: right. >> differentiating himself from the regime. >> harris: but with north korea? >> i think president obama missed a golden opportunity and the president has done all the right things with that. as far as north korea, do i think showing a force,

supporting south korea, unifying with japan and that, putting pressure on china, those are all good things, but, yeah, the tweet has a twinge of austin powers to it. >> harris: tweet with a cringe. >> katie: they know h.r. mcmaster knows that. they have come to the conclusion that china isn't going to be helping us much more when it comes to north korea. we just saw those pictures of them illegally selling fuel to north korea. they are not going to help. this is our problem to deal with and they have to deal with it in a way that i think the diplomatic window is certainly closing on just based on the conversations at the white house. >> harris: one last thing for you, melsz, that is the fact that out of the state department with rex tillerson the language is decidedly different, i don't know, i say decidedly different. the language is different with nike maley with the one. one has more diplomacy than the other and the other sounds like it's coming to

an ends. >> melissa: whether we are buying an apartment that's not it. good cop, bad cop. most room to negotiate. that's how business people work. that's how president trump works. if you look at him he is always out there. looks like is he doing the opposite of the person that is supposed to represent him. he's not. it is opposite and intentionaintentional and givesu room to move. >> katie: who plays good cop and bad cop. >> melissa: in my house? usually me. >> harris: democrats investigating russian middling. ready to accuse republican colleagues of stonewalling. some are pointing the finger at republican chairman devon nunez. is he standing in the way of the russia investigation? or is this just well, you know, politics as usual. we'll debate. plus, new questions for the founders of the firm behind the infamous trump dossier. now they are claiming to be victims. you've got to hear it ahead. ♪

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somebody a san the founders of fusion gps alleging ties between then candidate donald trump and russia. now calling on house republicans to release their testimony claiming the g.o.p. is launching, quote, fake investigations over the dossier to protect the president. and deputing that exbritish spy christopher steele paid his sources. also writing, quote: amid a growing criminal inquiry into russian meddling in the 2016 election congressional republicans are, again, chasing rabbits. we know because we are their favorite quarry. critics of fusion gps are pointing out that the opposition research firm has

serious credibility problems of its own. fox news has reported that fusion gps was being paid by a kremlin linked law firm statement that it was digging for dirt on then candidate donald trump. advocates have accused g.p.s. of secretly working for the russians. congressman jason chaffetz is here. >> did i read that op-ed from fusion gps. first of all, if they want to maximize openness and transparency, there is nothing, nothing that holds back fusion gps from releasing all the documents in all the financial transactions. i have the house intelligence committee having to issue subpoenas in order to get that information. >> that's a great point. >> today they could release all of that information if they want. don't blame the house intelligence committee. it is against the through go out and hire foreign national to engage in these activities during the campaign. so they potentially broke the law there you have mark elias who was general counsel for the dnc. hillary clinton is involved in this. have you got the op-ed group involved in this. there is some really

nefarious things and you have a top official at the fbi whose wife works at fusion gps at the same time that they're doing an investigation so don't call it a fake investigation. let's get all the truth out there. that's what gowdy and nunes and everybody is after. >> you. >> harris: you know, it's interesting to me what reputation is fusion gps hoping to uphold? everything that you have said they have plenty of room to work in their own corner of the room before they reach out. >> sandra: i want to get this in here because chuck grassley has responded by saying mr. simpson attorney has demanded during the interview that the transcript be confidential. this response is just coming in by the way, fusion refused to answer dozens of questions voluntarily and failed to provide the committee with dozens of responses to follow-up questions after the interview. the committee's invitation for mr. simpson to testify at open hearing remains on the table. >> katie: they have been invited to testify in front of the senate judiciary

committee where democrats will defend the work they are doing and get out in front of american people because every single network would cover it and they can tell exactly what happened and let everyone know why they were doing it. what was important, who was not. who they are being paid by whether that's normal practice or not. they have response ubility on their own to the american people now because they are so involved and because they did have influence in the fbi basted on the dossier. again we have people connect to the dossier also connected to the department of justice under president obama. and those are questions that are unanswered and that deserve answers to the american people. >> harris: then again i come back to that point of hiring that foreign national. there are some real basic things that were done that were not untoward but illegal. i'm trying to understand what reputation are they trying to protect when you go back to that origin it's problematic. >> took more than $10 million it's a group of 15 people. it's not like this is some massive organization with all this multitude of clients and whatnot. they had a singular purpose.

that is to try to take down donald trump. trump.san. >> melissa: i think what people in the audience should remember when originally we gave the government special powers to collect data to listen in on your phone calls, it was a time when we were all frightened and still are about terror, about national security. the warning at the time was that in the end, this fisa warrant, this whole idea could be used to listen in on political opponents and become a political weapon. in this case it looks like that's very much what happened, that a fake report was used to get a fisa warrant to spy on a political opponent. that's a very dangerous thing in this country. and that's what i think we should be chasing down and focused on. >> katie: moving onto the next topic at least one democrat now telling "the washington post" that he and his colleagues are considering issuing a minority report, claiming that house republicans are trying to thwart the russia investigation. democrats pointing to a recent report claiming that house intelligence chairman

devon nunes is reasserting his authority over the probe despite recusing himself. he apparently never relinquished his role so slap on subpoenas attorney general jiff sessions. and donald trump jr. this is raising democrats' concern that chairman nunes may be trying to prematurely wrap up the russia probe. congressman, he recused himself based on ethics violation that was filed against him in a frivolous way. do you think it's fair that he is getting back involved in the investigation? >> look, devon nunes is the duly elected chairman of the house intelligence committee. and they have done very important work. they have had a host of people up there. again, you don't get multiple shots attorney general. they have had donald trump jr. up there multiple times. far longer than they ever had hillary clinton coming and talking about her email situation. this is political spin. and one of the biggest

disappointments is adam schiff in all of this because i think he has turned into a political monster instead of actually doing the important work of the intelligence committee he is out there spinning this in a political way. >> katie: isn't that unfortunate to have the chairman of the committee and minority leader on the committee feuding and not being able to come to the same conclusion on a fact-based investigation and needing to issue separate reports? where does that actually get us to move forward on this issue? >> melissa: nowhere chingd. and that's why the american people are so frustrated. any time you hear about committees doing investigation it is important work. as an american myself i feel like we never see the evidence that any of this is getting done. never see the evidence that there is a conclusion that there is recourse when someone has done something egregious and broken the law. i know that's not the job of the legislature to put people in jail, obviously. but there is -- it feels

like there is never an outcome. >> it does feel to me that this democrats want to continue this on. only talking point. they haven't been able to come up with any evidence. i would still point to what i did when i was chairman of the oversight committee with elijah cummings that is call upon the inspector general to come in and look at what happened all the way through. and you will have michael horowitz with 450 employees at the department of justice in the inspector general's office issue a report and about the march time frame that will be, i think, one of the biggest and most important. >> katie: arab report and then what. >> expose things. they had access to personnel and documents. they have been able to interview people. you haven't heard any leaks. you rely on the inspector general without the political taint to this. >> harris: why don't they do that? >> it's been in the works since cummings and i initiated u. >> katie: what about the accountability side of that we see inspector general

reports and see a ton of wrongdoing. to h.r., stay in positions get full pension. lois lerner is a good example. everyone at atf during the fast and furious scandal, a number of examples of ig reports coming out great because there is sunlight. then nothing beyond that. that's what so frustrating you see the findings, oh my gosh this is even worse than i thought and nothing hans. >> melissa: robert mueller where do you stand as a whole on him. >> i don't think the president can or should, i don't think he should dismiss mr. mueller. i have a problem with the attorney general. i don't think attorney general sessions is up to the job. he has had to recuse himself out of the most important things. there are deep systemic problems within the department of justice. until attorney general sessions is out of the picture. >> harris: what do you think he should do about that. >> either dismiss him or ask him to retire do something. >> harris: they tried to get him to go back to his seat

in alabama. >> i mean he is absent from all of these discussions and they have deep systemic problems in many of their institutions there at the department of justice. you know, he looks like he is on a hopscotch video somewhere. is he not getting it done. >> harris: we will see what happens. we know how you feel. >> katie: the president set to give awards to the media. not the kind they might want. talking dishonest most corrupt worst reporting, whether keeping up his battle with the press is a big distraction. political strategy. we will debate it. ♪

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>> a lot of folks out thered in the mainstream media who work hard and try to get it

right. people trying to get the story. bill, i have seen this many times that folks are very bold on social media. very bold on cable tv against the president. when they are in his company, the knees start knocking. i have actually had to pick up people's cell phones that they drop and hand it back to them. [laughter] >> that you was kellyanne conway today. the president has made it known for some time that he is no fan of what he sees as bias in the mainstream media's coverage of him. now he appears to be taking his battle really to the next level. the president tweeting quote i will be announcing the most dishonest and corrupt media awards ever the year on monday at 5:00. singes will cover dishonesty and bad reporting in various categories from the fake news media. stay tuned. so we all laughed hysterically when we saw this come out. let me for a moment be an advocate and say that we get out of our bubble. i went to florida for christmas

vacation. >> harris: florida is out of the bubble. >> for me out of your normal daily routine. someone was sitting there saying the tax plan is going to be great. person sitting across from me very intelligent. she said except the middle class is going to pay the whole entire bill. i said that's factually incorrect. >> oh i boy. sounds like a lovely vacation. >> >> melissa: no, no, no. this is what i said in my mind. more polite in person. here is a smart personal i know what channel you are watching, that's what i actually said. >> harris: oh, wow. >> melissa: here is a smart person inforgesd engaged. because she sees certain people with certain talking points that happen to be a lie she believes it to be true. and if it were my policy, i think there are a lot of people out there who watch one station, they believe something to be true that's provable and factually incorrect and not an opinion and it's frustrating to people who know it's a lie and are on the other side. what do you think of that? >> i think the president has done an exceptional job of pointing out the fake media in all of these bogus

stories that a lot of them have been retracted a along the way. >> i don't know how this game show rollout is going to work whether it's combined with the miss u.s.a. pageant or whatnot. i mean, the president has obviously thought about it he has given it a time, a location, categories, i don't know. i don't know if he is accepting no, ma'am niece. >> katie: everyone will be there to watch it maybe cnn will boycott it. >> melissa: even better. >> melissa: who is at the top of his list? >> katie: i don't know will it be the failing "new york times" or the very, very fake news jim acosta at cnn as the president says? i don't know. >> badge of honor to the winners. >> they need each other. it's love-hate relationship. they both need each other. the president likes the attention. the press likes the attention, even if they fain outrage. >> everybody's viewership suspect. >> they will admit that the white house is more open than it has previously been. >> harris: i just remember

with president obama how he would say where he wouldn't go. and it was fox news. and with this particular president, no matter what is going on, access is not a problem. he will stop on a tarmac headed to marine one in a heart beat on a lawn i should say. talk for 40 minutes. he will give a pop up at the end of the cabinet meeting. access is not the issue. if reporters want to ask good questions, they can't say that they don't have the opportunities. i know he didn't do an end of the year presidential news conference but as i pointed out to our own john roberts on the air that friday before christmas, i said he has given so much press availability it's been a chance for certain people to ask their questions. so, if he wants to do this, you are right, he will have the world watching and it will bener access point if they take advantage of it. >> katie: it's through his political pac, right? this is a fundraising thing. we covered this on the show two weeks ago before christmas. they sent out fundraising

email asking for people to vote for categories. might not be the president deciding. might be supporters asking who is the worst or most dishonest. all of the categories listed. >> my question is it effective to go back, melissa, to your original point and going back to that woman who said perhaps she just wasn't looking at arave sources looking at one network and get information and being mislead. does it help people like that to say maybe i need to look at -- does it have a good impact to only god from one spot? >> i think it alienates the people like this woman who is obviously watching msnbc and she is watching cbs and not watching the other stations so it continues to alien nate them and makes them think that he is crazy. but at the same time, it's necessary to continue to beat the drum of the message that he has gotten through, which is that the quote unquote mainstream media that is supposed to be straight is in fact leaning one way or the other. i think everybody is leaning one way or the other and have you to be honest and

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>> sandra: new reaction from law enforcement after entire state of california becomes sanction area city for illegal immigrants. governor jerry brown signing a new law barring police from asking about immigration status. acting ice director thomas homan says this puts people at risk. >> you have the state of california who wants to put politics ahead of public and officer safety.

rather than arresting them the safety and security of a county jail. it's ridiculous to annoyingly and intentionally put law enforcement at risk. it's just in the american communities, the communities themselves put at risk. when you release a public safety threat back into the public, it is just a foolish decision they made. >> sandra: that is the central question does this put the public at risk. >> yes, nothing makes me more infuriating than the democrats and their position than this particular policy. 80,000 times in the obama administration there were people that were here illegally that got caught committing a crime and instead of deporting them, they put them back out in the public. these people committed more crimes including homicides, duis, how do you look anybody in the eye. literally in california and in new york, they are moving forward on a policy that says we will not cooperate with law enforcement. that's where the democrats stand on this issue. it is so fundamentally wrong at its core it will cost people's lives. it will harm individuals.

>> that's homan's point. they need to be held accountable for those decisions. >> we are talking about the criminal element. get them out of this country. why should we tolerate this? >> harris: also lowers the bar on our ability to be complicit in crime. original crime is that they have come here illegally. some of them as we learned in the kate steinle case deported more than once and made it back in this country. that means in some way the people making the decisions and policy about this are complicit and crimes being broken just by the illegal entry into this country. that means the bar is already low on how we see this as a crime. by the way i'm ready, twitter. every time i say that people say no, no, no. they deserve something special it wasn't a crime. what your take on that. >> katie: u.s. code violation to come into the united states of america to come in without permission. that is absolutely true. that is a crime. >> melissa: more ice officers watch out they are on the way. >> california better hold on tight. they are about to see a lot more special agents, a lot

more deportation officers in the state of california. if the politicians in california don't want to protect their communities, then ice will. >> melissa: those are strong words. i think about local cops and local law enforcement in this situation. >> harris: first line of defense. >> melissa: they're the ones throughout often alone putting their lives on the line trying to protect their community. this is not giving them the support that they need. it's releasing more people, you know, to commit crimes and repeat committing crimes. and it puts our law enforcement officers at risk. >> katie: half of the crime in california at least half is related directly to illegal immigration, gang violence in places like l.a., ms-13, and i just don't understand how politicians think that this is a good idea, putting the criminal element above the people of california and the people of the rest of the country because now they have free reign to go wherever. >> democrats don't ever look me in the eye and try to tell me that you want to cooperate. we all need to get together and work better together when you won't cooperate with federal law

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>> many thanks to congressman jason chaffetz. any parting words? >> we have a baby shower, our daughter is having a baby in february. >> you are going to be a grandpa, congratulations. you are a young grandpa. >> yes, indeed.

>> congratulations and to her and her family as well. we'll be back here noon eastern as we are every weekday. here's harris. >> harris: as we begin this hour. we are watching the stand off between president trump and north korea's dictator. the president putting kim jong-un on notice after the so- called little rocket man declared the nuclear button is always on his desk. and a once dormant hot line between the north and south reopened. kim jong-un stated that the nuclear desk at all time. someone inform him i have a nuclear button and it is bigger and powerful than his and it workings. reaction from democrats is swift and going from the ranking